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Eric (guest) 12 Dec 2017 20:16
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Really interesting!

by Eric (guest), 12 Dec 2017 20:16

From 53:00, the video basically seems to say the quantum computers should be able to draw energy from other universes or use other universes to solve NP-complete problems, but they don't solve those problems.

I didn't watch further because I am not good at physics and the video seemed to digress from that point.

That physicists don't know yet why the current generations of quantum computers cannot solve NP-complete problems raises more questions. There are still rooms for wild speculations.

People are still figuring out how to make quantum computers work, and they don't know much about quantum computing, yet.

I think it's too early to conclude that there is no multiverse or we cannot harness the energy of other universes or do any other crazy things with the universe. Even, heat death is still a speculation at this moment. It might be big crunch that is waiting for us.

If you prove that nature is fundamentally limited in its computational capacity, the space is probably finite.

I think I understood the gist. by crocketcrocket, 09 Dec 2017 23:44
Martin Sustrik (guest) 09 Dec 2017 08:58
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There was Catholic immigration from the Podpolanie region but, as far as I understand, it wasn't sufficient to offset the population decrease. One thing that could have played a role is that immigrating Catholics were poor and thus the amount of land they could buy was limited. My family, for example, were one of those immigrants and the plot of land they've bought was ~1ha (100x100m) witch is ludicrous for a farm. I am speculating here, of course.

Another thing to consider: My family moved in in 1920's. In 1930's there was the Great Depression, in 1940's there was the war, in 1948 communists took over and the system wasn't dedicated to letting the things happen naturally. Land was collectivized etc. After 1989 the global trend of rural depopulation was already underway.

by Martin Sustrik (guest), 09 Dec 2017 08:58
Martin Sustrik (guest) 09 Dec 2017 06:35
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See 53:00 in the video on the topic.

by Martin Sustrik (guest), 09 Dec 2017 06:35
Dave (guest) 08 Dec 2017 23:32
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Why did these farms remain abandoned after the Protestants died out? Why didn't Catholics move in and work the land?

by Dave (guest), 08 Dec 2017 23:32

I consider my theory as just one of many possible theories.

As far as I know, many-worlds hypothesis allows alternate universes to not be able to interact with each other. Perhaps, you need a warm hole or a portal to interact with alternate universes.

Forking the universe of the past by opening a portal to the past is not necessarily the same as natural forking at the present moment without leaving a portal behind.

All I'm saying is that nobody knows for sure.

Martin Sustrik (guest) 07 Dec 2017 09:28
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Except that no and that's the very point. If you think about quantum computing in terms of many-words hypothesis, you can be led to thinking that it's garnering its computational power from alternate universes. However, for all we know, it is still not able to cope with NP-complete problems. There's something strange and interesting going on there.

by Martin Sustrik (guest), 07 Dec 2017 09:28

Perhaps, we could fork the universe by creating a portal to the past.

To resolve the paradox of killing my own grandfather, when I create a portal to the past, a copy of the universe of the past could be created.

If my guess was correct and we could create pocket universes containing a lifeless solar system, in theory, we would gain access to unlimited amount of energy and computational power. Everyone could fork and own their own pocket universes.

We can bypass heat death in this way, too.

Perhaps, there is a loop hole? by crocketcrocket, 07 Dec 2017 07:40
Apostolis (guest) 06 Dec 2017 07:12
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Regarding your first solution, you can look at
cliodynamics : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliodynamics .

I do not condone any of the research there because I haven't read much.

I would though note that Marx and Engels had developed Historical Materialism centuries ago. It is still one of the predominant models used from Sociologists. Engels was well aware of the work of Darwin's theory and was inspired by it.

With regards to your application of evolutionary theory, you are making a mistake that many evolutionary scientists do, you forget that organisms also affect the environment they live in, thus changing the context in which evolution happens.

Moreover, social processes can sometimes be chaotic, the results determined by the choices of a single person, like the president of USA.

In cases that the results require numbers to take effect, then people can organize in effective social structures, like workers do in Unions or cells did when they created multicellular organisms.

With regard to your meme's example, it is very problematic when you abstract the materiality of a problem and try to provide general solutions. Each case has a different solution.

To summarize, we are not predetermined to follow a certain historical path, There are certainly dynamics that affect us, but at the same time we are able to alter the context we live in. The solution is to increase the ability of the individual and society to change the context of its evolution.

Let me give you an example : Each city has algorithms that determine the functioning of traffic lights. The algorithms impose a specific context in which people have to drive. This creates specific dynamics for traffic congestions and drive behavior.

People are forced by the context to act in a specific way. At the same time, they should have the ability to democratically change the algorithms of traffic lights and thus change the dynamics of system itself.

People could decide to use Carlos algorthims :
https://arxiv.org/abs/1104.2829

by Apostolis (guest), 06 Dec 2017 07:12

Thanks for the pointer. I'll try to read the book.

by martin_sustrikmartin_sustrik, 05 Dec 2017 20:52
Martin Sustrik (guest) 05 Dec 2017 13:58
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See here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/north-korea-defectors

It seems they are able to watch South Korean soap operas.

Having lived behind the iron courtain myself, I think that the realization that live elsewhere is much better than your own does more for discrediting the local political system than concerns about democracy or somesuch.

by Martin Sustrik (guest), 05 Dec 2017 13:58

The book explains an example.

When a respected black woman was jailed in Montgomery for refusing to yield a bus seat to a white person, her friends started protesting. The small protests spread quickly across the entire USA. Montgomery became the national ground zero for defeating racism.

I think the speed of meme dispersion is affected a lot by habits.

In the book was explained another habit that preceded violent riots in middle east. When people gather at a plaza, food vendors flock. People buy foods and start riots. A military officer saw the pattern and drove out food vendors before violent riots emerge. The riots never happened. People had a habit of starting riots after eating food at plazas. Tired people want to go home. People who eat food stay energized and have enough energy to start riots.

Like overthrowing their government?

pqs (guest) 05 Dec 2017 12:16
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"Coming up with metrics of societal dysfunction may not be trivial but it is, presumably, a doable task."

Emmanuel Todd did this in 1976. He predicted that the USRR would fall, after analyzing hard demographic and economic data. If child mortality is going up, it means that the state is unable to run hospitals correctly. If the state is importing grain, it means it's agriculture is not working well.

The Final Fall: An Essay on the Decomposition of the Soviet Sphere (La chute finale: Essais sur la décomposition de la sphère Soviétique), 1976.

by pqs (guest), 05 Dec 2017 12:16

Whatever Stalin said, the fact is that ideas did circulate in Ostblock. Samizdat etc. It also looks like ideas are circulating in North Korea. They can be slowed down to some extent, but not fully stopped.

by martin_sustrikmartin_sustrik, 05 Dec 2017 05:35
Norswap (guest) 04 Dec 2017 20:42
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Somewhat trite, but appropriate, the old Stalin quote:

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.

It's interesting that many successes on the social plan have come from the spreading of ideas over a relatively short timespan.

And some failures could also be explained by the inability of some ideas to spread themselves enough: imagine if the US population was as environmentally conscious as that of Europe, what a difference it would make.

by Norswap (guest), 04 Dec 2017 20:42

Memetic evolution, I believe, beats genetic evolution hands down every time. The reason being that it's much faster. Genetic evolution is dead in the water before it can devise a single countermeasure. In short, I would bet on horizontally transferred meme any time.

by martin_sustrikmartin_sustrik, 04 Dec 2017 19:59
tailcalled (guest) 04 Dec 2017 19:49
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There's a tendency to evolve protection against parasites, though, isn't there? This should imply that there's selection in favor of having a psychology that promotes vertical meme transfer and against having one that allows horizontal meme transfer, which could lead to problems. For example, if the "Multiply and fill the Earth!" memes are religious, and the "have just two children" are secular, then this would lead to a "secularization schredder" which increases the frequency of religion-promoting genes.

by tailcalled (guest), 04 Dec 2017 19:49

Yep, I was pretty surprised myself. I intent to get the study when it gets out and will report back.

by martin_sustrikmartin_sustrik, 04 Dec 2017 15:31
Tony (guest) 04 Dec 2017 14:20
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Fascinating article. I never realized that the one child policy has been tried (culturally) in Europe and had been around long enough for us to see and hopefully learn from the consequences.

by Tony (guest), 04 Dec 2017 14:20
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