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Apostolis (guest) 18 Feb 2018 21:50
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That was the main idea of Pieter Hintjens GSL :
https://github.com/imatix/gsl#model-oriented-programming

It is using machine-processable xml-docs to store meta-data about programs and then using them to generate code and documentation.

I have always used ribosome that way :
https://github.com/xekoukou/grylos/blob/master/meta_src/metareact/react/main.xml

Unfortunately, I now work in dependent types. I believe though that this is a very powerful idea.

by Apostolis (guest), 18 Feb 2018 21:50

Equilibrium is not necessarily a desired outcome. I am specifically speaking about undesirable equilibria here. And no, nobody decides, equilibrium is simply what you get, even if everybody hates it. That's the definition of equilibrium.

by martin_sustrikmartin_sustrik, 16 Feb 2018 16:20
Karthik Ayyar (guest) 16 Feb 2018 13:06
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well,

I do recognize that i'm off on a tangent - but since I have stumbled upon this while catching up on libdill…allow me, to share my two bits…

why is equilibrium (social or otherwise) a _desired_ outcome ?

if so, who gets' to define the metric and in what period should it be measured ?

change being the only constant, in evolution - choosing between one type of change vs. others seems to be based on the bias/knowledge of the observer - which itself seems to change over time !

if social groups were measured in terms of protecting the environment - then one could argue that the north korean model is the best - (the frugal lifestyle of their populace guarantees that)…of course, one could argue that their form of government is not fair/democratic - and one could argue that it is a small price to pay for protecting the environment for the rest of the population of the planet ?!….

in a sense, its the swinging back/forth of different perspectives relative to each other over a period of time, that makes life, what it is, interesting…

while the rationalist in me would want to build a model that observes/understands/predicts nature/future…the human in me would probably throw in a spanner - just to spite the rationalist !

- ka

by Karthik Ayyar (guest), 16 Feb 2018 13:06
greg (guest) 17 Jan 2018 22:11
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Gift vs. Reputation in OSS

ok

by greg (guest), 17 Jan 2018 22:11
David Bakin (guest) 08 Jan 2018 22:27
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Finish your stuff

That's nice, but it's history. If you think that's still the Unix philosophy you haven't been paying attention. Look at systemd, or if considering that is too political, just man ls and compare that to the original descriptions of ls in the "Unix Philosophy".

by David Bakin (guest), 08 Jan 2018 22:27
Apostolis (guest) 25 Dec 2017 14:18
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Your Share of National Wealth for a Microwave Oven!

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/09/business/economic-scene-a-study-looks-at-squatters-and-land-titles-in-peru.html

I couldn't find statistics on changes on property ownership. But the main goal was to use the property as capital or collateral for loans.

by Apostolis (guest), 25 Dec 2017 14:18

Are you saying that the South Americans in your example failed to act on financial incentives? I can imagine, for example, an isolated, indigenous tribe not caring much about government and bureaucracy, living by the traditional rules. As such they could ignore the call to register their property and end up dispossesed.

If so, I would appreciate if you could dig up a reference.

by martin_sustrikmartin_sustrik, 25 Dec 2017 05:46
Apostolis (guest) 24 Dec 2017 09:58
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Your Share of National Wealth for a Microwave Oven!

http://news.gallup.com/poll/211052/stock-ownership-down-among-older-higher-income.aspx

As you can see the distribution of stock ownership in Capitalist states is similar.

I have a very similar example to yours but I cannot remember the details. In a South American country, the IMF helped to create documents of ownership for property that was held informally for generations by the populace. This allowed the people to use their property, to sell it if they didn't have money or to take loans.
From what I remember this resulted to most of the property being taken away from them.

Anwar shaikh calls this phenomenon real competition, meaning that competition is actually War, either legal or illegal.

Corp vs Corp :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._v._Samsung_Electronics_Co.
https://www.google.gr/search?q=apple+vs+qualcomm+lawsuit&newwindow=1
http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-google-feud-erupts-in-amazontube-patent-filing-2017-12

Corp vs Workers :
https://uaw.org/uaw-files-charges-tesla-behalf-unfairly-terminated-workers/

For a solution to having the people democratically decide on production, both workers and consumers, I am inspired by MIT's project :

https://www.media.mit.edu/groups/collective-learning/overview/

"The Collective Learning group at the MIT Media Lab focuses on how teams, organizations, cities, and nations learn. Our research addresses both the study of knowledge + knowhow accumulated in social groups and the creation of tools that democratize data analysis and facilitate collective learning.
"

by Apostolis (guest), 24 Dec 2017 09:58

Yes, it depends on how you look at it.

If you take a simplistic economic viewpoint and think of incentives solely as "financial incentives" aligning those clearly wasn't enough.

If, on the other hand, your definition of "incentives" includes things like education and social ties and enforcing the rule of law, then yes, we can, almost by definition, solve every social problem by tweaking incentives.

As for the wealth inequality that would be true if wealthy people owning the shares actually cared about and were involved in steering the companies. Unfortunately, that often doesn't seem to be the case. My point is about speculation and treating stock like a simple store of value in general, but let's consider the extreme example of high-frequency trading: If you hold a share for a fraction of a second to do some kind of arbitrage trade you are no more helpful to the company than a clueless villager brainwashed by forty years of real socialism who got handed the share by the voucher privatization.

by martin_sustrikmartin_sustrik, 23 Dec 2017 16:08
tailcalled (guest) 23 Dec 2017 12:36
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"One takeaway from the story may be that aligning incentives isn't enough."

But were the incentives even properly aligned? You pointed out yourself that they only had very small shares and that their votes couldn't really change anything in them. That doesn't seem like the right incentives to me.

One of the advantages of wealth inequality is that these sorts of problems appear less. If only a few very rich people own all the shares, then they have a much bigger effect when voting and get a bigger fraction of the returns. (Or, well, obviously the modern economy is a lot more complicated than that, but I think the same concept applies.)

by tailcalled (guest), 23 Dec 2017 12:36
Fred Ross (guest) 21 Dec 2017 21:22
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Structured Concurrency

I'm reminded of PLT Racket's [custodians https://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/eval-model.html#%28part._custodian-model%29], though they are used for all kinds of resources as a set instead of just processes.

by Fred Ross (guest), 21 Dec 2017 21:22
Eric (guest) 12 Dec 2017 20:16
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Suicide by Culture

Really interesting!

by Eric (guest), 12 Dec 2017 20:16

From 53:00, the video basically seems to say the quantum computers should be able to draw energy from other universes or use other universes to solve NP-complete problems, but they don't solve those problems.

I didn't watch further because I am not good at physics and the video seemed to digress from that point.

That physicists don't know yet why the current generations of quantum computers cannot solve NP-complete problems raises more questions. There are still rooms for wild speculations.

People are still figuring out how to make quantum computers work, and they don't know much about quantum computing, yet.

I think it's too early to conclude that there is no multiverse or we cannot harness the energy of other universes or do any other crazy things with the universe. Even, heat death is still a speculation at this moment. It might be big crunch that is waiting for us.

If you prove that nature is fundamentally limited in its computational capacity, the space is probably finite.

I think I understood the gist. by crocketcrocket, 09 Dec 2017 23:44
Martin Sustrik (guest) 09 Dec 2017 08:58
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Suicide by Culture

There was Catholic immigration from the Podpolanie region but, as far as I understand, it wasn't sufficient to offset the population decrease. One thing that could have played a role is that immigrating Catholics were poor and thus the amount of land they could buy was limited. My family, for example, were one of those immigrants and the plot of land they've bought was ~1ha (100x100m) witch is ludicrous for a farm. I am speculating here, of course.

Another thing to consider: My family moved in in 1920's. In 1930's there was the Great Depression, in 1940's there was the war, in 1948 communists took over and the system wasn't dedicated to letting the things happen naturally. Land was collectivized etc. After 1989 the global trend of rural depopulation was already underway.

by Martin Sustrik (guest), 09 Dec 2017 08:58
Martin Sustrik (guest) 09 Dec 2017 06:35
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Computational Complexity as a Law of Nature

See 53:00 in the video on the topic.

by Martin Sustrik (guest), 09 Dec 2017 06:35
Dave (guest) 08 Dec 2017 23:32
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Suicide by Culture

Why did these farms remain abandoned after the Protestants died out? Why didn't Catholics move in and work the land?

by Dave (guest), 08 Dec 2017 23:32

I consider my theory as just one of many possible theories.

As far as I know, many-worlds hypothesis allows alternate universes to not be able to interact with each other. Perhaps, you need a warm hole or a portal to interact with alternate universes.

Forking the universe of the past by opening a portal to the past is not necessarily the same as natural forking at the present moment without leaving a portal behind.

All I'm saying is that nobody knows for sure.

Martin Sustrik (guest) 07 Dec 2017 09:28
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Computational Complexity as a Law of Nature

Except that no and that's the very point. If you think about quantum computing in terms of many-words hypothesis, you can be led to thinking that it's garnering its computational power from alternate universes. However, for all we know, it is still not able to cope with NP-complete problems. There's something strange and interesting going on there.

by Martin Sustrik (guest), 07 Dec 2017 09:28

Perhaps, we could fork the universe by creating a portal to the past.

To resolve the paradox of killing my own grandfather, when I create a portal to the past, a copy of the universe of the past could be created.

If my guess was correct and we could create pocket universes containing a lifeless solar system, in theory, we would gain access to unlimited amount of energy and computational power. Everyone could fork and own their own pocket universes.

We can bypass heat death in this way, too.

Perhaps, there is a loop hole? by crocketcrocket, 07 Dec 2017 07:40
Apostolis (guest) 06 Dec 2017 07:12
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Inadequate Equilibria

Regarding your first solution, you can look at
cliodynamics : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliodynamics .

I do not condone any of the research there because I haven't read much.

I would though note that Marx and Engels had developed Historical Materialism centuries ago. It is still one of the predominant models used from Sociologists. Engels was well aware of the work of Darwin's theory and was inspired by it.

With regards to your application of evolutionary theory, you are making a mistake that many evolutionary scientists do, you forget that organisms also affect the environment they live in, thus changing the context in which evolution happens.

Moreover, social processes can sometimes be chaotic, the results determined by the choices of a single person, like the president of USA.

In cases that the results require numbers to take effect, then people can organize in effective social structures, like workers do in Unions or cells did when they created multicellular organisms.

With regard to your meme's example, it is very problematic when you abstract the materiality of a problem and try to provide general solutions. Each case has a different solution.

To summarize, we are not predetermined to follow a certain historical path, There are certainly dynamics that affect us, but at the same time we are able to alter the context we live in. The solution is to increase the ability of the individual and society to change the context of its evolution.

Let me give you an example : Each city has algorithms that determine the functioning of traffic lights. The algorithms impose a specific context in which people have to drive. This creates specific dynamics for traffic congestions and drive behavior.

People are forced by the context to act in a specific way. At the same time, they should have the ability to democratically change the algorithms of traffic lights and thus change the dynamics of system itself.

People could decide to use Carlos algorthims :
https://arxiv.org/abs/1104.2829

by Apostolis (guest), 06 Dec 2017 07:12
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